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		<title>By: BrooklynShoeBabe</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=8873&#038;cpage=1#comment-76494</link>
		<dc:creator>BrooklynShoeBabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 17:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not really into the rich heroes. I like blue collar workers in my romance novels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really into the rich heroes. I like blue collar workers in my romance novels.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Lowe</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=8873&#038;cpage=1#comment-75672</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 00:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was going to mention Morning Glory but how about SEP&#039;s First Lady.  She is not only richer, if I remember right, but she wound up being more powerful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to mention Morning Glory but how about SEP&#8217;s First Lady.  She is not only richer, if I remember right, but she wound up being more powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: NBLibGirl</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=8873&#038;cpage=1#comment-75563</link>
		<dc:creator>NBLibGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 03:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great discussion. I too enjoy equally strong characters. I love the dynamic between Brockmann&#039;s Alyssa Locke and Sam Starrett. By the end of the series, he actually reports to her, but even in the beginning he&#039;s an enlisted man, she&#039;s an FBI field agent. I also enjoy the very middle class/not uber wealthy characters in Kristan Higgins novels. . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion. I too enjoy equally strong characters. I love the dynamic between Brockmann&#8217;s Alyssa Locke and Sam Starrett. By the end of the series, he actually reports to her, but even in the beginning he&#8217;s an enlisted man, she&#8217;s an FBI field agent. I also enjoy the very middle class/not uber wealthy characters in Kristan Higgins novels. . .</p>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 05:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, you respnded to me not Cora:)

Thanks for your response. I guess I put feminism in a box. Its all about choices right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, you respnded to me not Cora:)</p>
<p>Thanks for your response. I guess I put feminism in a box. Its all about choices right?</p>
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		<title>By: Yuri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 03:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-75399&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75399&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;erika&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I guess I’m in the minority as I don’t mind romance not reflecting feminism. Controlling heroes, Cinderella plots are perfect escapism. I can see Feminst examples of women all the time in real life.

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Hi Cora,
I think maybe you&#039;re part of the silent majority given the popularity of these storylines.
Not as a steady diet, but I too like uber-rich heroes and I don&#039;t mind controlling heroes if there is a good grovel at the end. I like more realistic income level heroes and heroines too and the richer heroine can really be an interesting plot point. 
If I pick up a Harlequin Presents then I want there to be an uber-rich hero and an emotional heroine and lots of melodrama and I feel cheated if its more realistic and won&#039;t pick up the author again. When I pick up and HP I&#039;m looking to escape and not worrying about money - not just in the sense of having it but also not having to earn or manage it - is part of that fantasy. 
If I pick up a single title or a category romance from one of the other lines then I&#039;m open to all sorts of plots and devices as long as they&#039;re well-written.
I don&#039;t think its anti-feminist to have these sorts of fantasies or to portray them in fiction. If you treat them as a recipe for real life then that&#039;s a problem. I think we&#039;ll know we have true equality when fiction aimed at men also features the fantasy of the uber-rich partner.
In the meantime there is room for all sorts of plots and something for every taste.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-75399" rel="nofollow">erika</a></strong>: I guess I’m in the minority as I don’t mind romance not reflecting feminism. Controlling heroes, Cinderella plots are perfect escapism. I can see Feminst examples of women all the time in real life.</p>
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<p>Hi Cora,<br />
I think maybe you&#8217;re part of the silent majority given the popularity of these storylines.<br />
Not as a steady diet, but I too like uber-rich heroes and I don&#8217;t mind controlling heroes if there is a good grovel at the end. I like more realistic income level heroes and heroines too and the richer heroine can really be an interesting plot point.<br />
If I pick up a Harlequin Presents then I want there to be an uber-rich hero and an emotional heroine and lots of melodrama and I feel cheated if its more realistic and won&#8217;t pick up the author again. When I pick up and HP I&#8217;m looking to escape and not worrying about money &#8211; not just in the sense of having it but also not having to earn or manage it &#8211; is part of that fantasy.<br />
If I pick up a single title or a category romance from one of the other lines then I&#8217;m open to all sorts of plots and devices as long as they&#8217;re well-written.<br />
I don&#8217;t think its anti-feminist to have these sorts of fantasies or to portray them in fiction. If you treat them as a recipe for real life then that&#8217;s a problem. I think we&#8217;ll know we have true equality when fiction aimed at men also features the fantasy of the uber-rich partner.<br />
In the meantime there is room for all sorts of plots and something for every taste.</p>
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		<title>By: erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I&#039;m in the minority as I don&#039;t mind romance not reflecting feminism. Controlling heroes, Cinderella plots are perfect escapism. I can see Feminst examples of women all the time in real life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m in the minority as I don&#8217;t mind romance not reflecting feminism. Controlling heroes, Cinderella plots are perfect escapism. I can see Feminst examples of women all the time in real life.</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think lj is  being snobby. I lived on this kind of salary for several years as a new immigrant. I paid my bills and saved some money to help my parents in my home country. I didn&#039;t need to be rescued. But... it wasn&#039;t much. I am fortunate to have more now, and conscious that while I could live on less, my life is simpler and easier as it is these days.

If I saw a hero/heroine in those kind of circumstances, I&#039;d definitely believe that the romance is possible, and HEA is possible as well. But I would want a feeling that they are working towards more, for them or for their children, just because it&#039;s so much easier if you have more than the bare minimum. I agree that self-sufficiency is a great virtue. But there is no virtue in living with little money in and of itself. So I would want to have a heroine who is independent and self-sufficient, but if she starts poor, finds a way to a bit more than that at the end.

I very much liked Courtney Milan&#039;s &quot;The Governess Affair&quot; in that respect. The heroine wants to own a farm, and the couple end up as (well off) farmers. This is a far cry from the typical &quot;marry a rich duke&quot; situation, but Milan gives a sense that this will provide a comfortable way to live for her and the hero, more so than the precarious situation of a governess, and it worked really well for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think lj is  being snobby. I lived on this kind of salary for several years as a new immigrant. I paid my bills and saved some money to help my parents in my home country. I didn&#8217;t need to be rescued. But&#8230; it wasn&#8217;t much. I am fortunate to have more now, and conscious that while I could live on less, my life is simpler and easier as it is these days.</p>
<p>If I saw a hero/heroine in those kind of circumstances, I&#8217;d definitely believe that the romance is possible, and HEA is possible as well. But I would want a feeling that they are working towards more, for them or for their children, just because it&#8217;s so much easier if you have more than the bare minimum. I agree that self-sufficiency is a great virtue. But there is no virtue in living with little money in and of itself. So I would want to have a heroine who is independent and self-sufficient, but if she starts poor, finds a way to a bit more than that at the end.</p>
<p>I very much liked Courtney Milan&#8217;s &#8220;The Governess Affair&#8221; in that respect. The heroine wants to own a farm, and the couple end up as (well off) farmers. This is a far cry from the typical &#8220;marry a rich duke&#8221; situation, but Milan gives a sense that this will provide a comfortable way to live for her and the hero, more so than the precarious situation of a governess, and it worked really well for me.</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cora is completely right about money and control. This reminded me of a great book, Jennifer Crusie &quot;Strange Bedpersons&quot;. The heroine, Tess, is poor; the hero, Nick, is a lawyer and has a lot of money. He tries to replace Tess&#039;s wardrobe, and this becomes the point of conflict. The book effectively makes a point that it&#039;s not OK to use your money to change another person. There is also a secondary couple, don&#039;t remember names, and the woman, who was always poor, enjoys the nice things about dating a rich guy - nice dinners, other things made easy. He does not try to control her with money, though he has a big problem standing up to his snobbish parents, which becomes another conflict. I think overall it creates a nice exploration of wealth and related issues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cora is completely right about money and control. This reminded me of a great book, Jennifer Crusie &#8220;Strange Bedpersons&#8221;. The heroine, Tess, is poor; the hero, Nick, is a lawyer and has a lot of money. He tries to replace Tess&#8217;s wardrobe, and this becomes the point of conflict. The book effectively makes a point that it&#8217;s not OK to use your money to change another person. There is also a secondary couple, don&#8217;t remember names, and the woman, who was always poor, enjoys the nice things about dating a rich guy &#8211; nice dinners, other things made easy. He does not try to control her with money, though he has a big problem standing up to his snobbish parents, which becomes another conflict. I think overall it creates a nice exploration of wealth and related issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Jillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 23:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow lj, talk about &quot;off topic&quot; and snobby, to boot. Some of us are pretty darn gratefull for our time at Walmart. It kept us off food stamps and up to date on our bills. 
Back &quot;on topic&quot; ... I agree farmwifetwo. The &quot;rich guy saves the day&quot; senerio is not a fantasy of mine either. I like knowing that money is NOT a part of the HEA equation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow lj, talk about &#8220;off topic&#8221; and snobby, to boot. Some of us are pretty darn gratefull for our time at Walmart. It kept us off food stamps and up to date on our bills.<br />
Back &#8220;on topic&#8221; &#8230; I agree farmwifetwo. The &#8220;rich guy saves the day&#8221; senerio is not a fantasy of mine either. I like knowing that money is NOT a part of the HEA equation.</p>
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		<title>By: Midori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Midori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2012 19:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-75307&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Blythe&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Interesting comments, everyone. In my mind I am kind of excluding heroines who have more money because they are heiresses. They seem common enough, especially in historicals. Now if she runs a newspaper and he’s a miner or something…

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Blythe, fair enough. But how many women were running newspapers in the 1880s? Heroines in historicals are necessarily limited to heiresses, governesses/maids or the feisty daughter of an indulgent professor/archeologist type who teaches his daughter Greek &amp; Latin. Women did not have many professions open to them so if it is a historical, then heiress is one of the more realistic devices to give the heroine some financial independence. 

I agree with Yulie that $ disparities are not such an issue in romantic suspense due to the working class hero jobs (police officer, etc.)]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-75307" rel="nofollow">Blythe</a></strong>: Interesting comments, everyone. In my mind I am kind of excluding heroines who have more money because they are heiresses. They seem common enough, especially in historicals. Now if she runs a newspaper and he’s a miner or something…</p>
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<p>Blythe, fair enough. But how many women were running newspapers in the 1880s? Heroines in historicals are necessarily limited to heiresses, governesses/maids or the feisty daughter of an indulgent professor/archeologist type who teaches his daughter Greek &amp; Latin. Women did not have many professions open to them so if it is a historical, then heiress is one of the more realistic devices to give the heroine some financial independence. </p>
<p>I agree with Yulie that $ disparities are not such an issue in romantic suspense due to the working class hero jobs (police officer, etc.)</p>
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