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		<title>By: Shanelle Trentman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shanelle Trentman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Declanu Cottoned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Declanu Cottoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2012 08:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have recently started a site, the information you provide on this website has helped me tremendously. Thank you for all of your time &amp; work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently started a site, the information you provide on this website has helped me tremendously. Thank you for all of your time &amp; work.</p>
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		<title>By: speed-dating 2010 film</title>
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		<dc:creator>speed-dating 2010 film</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Barnes &amp; Noble have single nights at various stores.  I am married now, but I used to go to them a few years back.  Nice atmosphere and you don&#039;t have to deal with &quot;bar&quot; people.  Is there one near McHenry?  I am by Midway so the clostest one to me is Oak Brook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Barnes &amp; Noble have single nights at various stores.  I am married now, but I used to go to them a few years back.  Nice atmosphere and you don&#8217;t have to deal with &#8220;bar&#8221; people.  Is there one near McHenry?  I am by Midway so the clostest one to me is Oak Brook.</p>
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		<title>By: Nora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2012 00:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found Fifty Shades of Gray a little like some guy&#039;s wet dream.  Although not an expert on BDSM, it just seemed to me to be.....well, a bit unoriginal.  I felt as though I was reading about some horny, immature single guy&#039;s idea of romance.  It&#039;s not a book I&#039;d read again or even recommend to someone.  In the beginning of the story Ana sounds more like a high school kid than a college girl about to graduate, and ever so often her words retreat to that high school level of thinking/speaking as the story progresses.  But I did like the cover!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Fifty Shades of Gray a little like some guy&#8217;s wet dream.  Although not an expert on BDSM, it just seemed to me to be&#8230;..well, a bit unoriginal.  I felt as though I was reading about some horny, immature single guy&#8217;s idea of romance.  It&#8217;s not a book I&#8217;d read again or even recommend to someone.  In the beginning of the story Ana sounds more like a high school kid than a college girl about to graduate, and ever so often her words retreat to that high school level of thinking/speaking as the story progresses.  But I did like the cover!</p>
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		<title>By: Parker Long</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=8085&#038;cpage=1#comment-63249</link>
		<dc:creator>Parker Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 19:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a very funny parody of 50 Shades called Fifty Shades of Black and Blue  Ouch!   

http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Black-Blue-ebook/dp/B007X5V6CQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1335373928&amp;sr=8-1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a very funny parody of 50 Shades called Fifty Shades of Black and Blue  Ouch!   </p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Black-Blue-ebook/dp/B007X5V6CQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1335373928&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Fifty-Shades-Black-Blue-ebook/dp/B007X5V6CQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1335373928&#038;sr=8-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: bethany</title>
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		<dc:creator>bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-62712&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-62712&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AAR Sandy&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: No, you don’t, LJ.Point taken.Actually, I was referring more to the disdain that’s coming from the FanFic community.I should have been more clear.

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the disdain is definitely not sour grapes. it&#039;s more the author&#039;s behavior in the community which is pretty tight-knit and supportive of one another in general.  just not a fan of someone who puts themselves on a pedestal at every opportunity when there are LOTS of fantastic fanfiction authors out there.  yes, she has definitely hit mainstream popularity but I would have to add that a lot of the initial steam was provided by the fanfiction community that James seems very eager to ditch altogether.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-62712" rel="nofollow">AAR Sandy</a></strong>: No, you don’t, LJ.Point taken.Actually, I was referring more to the disdain that’s coming from the FanFic community.I should have been more clear.</p>
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<p>the disdain is definitely not sour grapes. it&#8217;s more the author&#8217;s behavior in the community which is pretty tight-knit and supportive of one another in general.  just not a fan of someone who puts themselves on a pedestal at every opportunity when there are LOTS of fantastic fanfiction authors out there.  yes, she has definitely hit mainstream popularity but I would have to add that a lot of the initial steam was provided by the fanfiction community that James seems very eager to ditch altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Tesa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tesa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-62848&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LJ&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: @Tesa
No, I read the first two novels.
“because there are characters who make it blatantly clear that BDSM is not the problem,”Except that it IS because Christian’s NEED to be a dom is based on his childhood trauma and then Ana ‘cures’ him of his need to be a Dom through love. How is that not treating it like a disease?And then we have two other characters in the book, His former lover who is a chil abuser and a former sub both of whom are psychologically damaged and are used to drive the plot?Oh yes, this is a BDSM positive book.
You’re telling me I didn’t read it? You must be kididng.I wanted to throw my ereader through a window.And no, don’t be ridiculous, of course BDSM books can deal with psychological issues. Anabel Joseph has written a book that covers this issue almost exactly. The difference is, she managed to deal with it without treating BDSM like a disease. She also managed to feature BDSM positive characters just as she has dealt with many psychological issues AND BDSM at the same time without ‘curing’ either the Dom or the Sub of their inherit need to practice BDSM.
AND she didn’t treat every character over 40 like a pariah.

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Obviously, I&#039;m going to agree to disagree, and choose not to take what&#039;s becoming a discussion fraught with unnecessary tension personal. I&#039;m not suggesting that you read anything that you find objectionable, but I would hope that you do understand that it&#039;s a trilogy for a reason with conflicts that are not resolved until the end of the third book.

1) Ana does not cure Christian of anything. They find a level of kinky fuckery that works for both of them.

2) Christian is screwed up regardless of his sexual preferences. It is NOT the BDSM scenes he&#039;s flashing back to, it&#039;s his trauma. It&#039;s not BDSM that messes with his idea of intimacy, it&#039;s being prematurely involved in ANY sexual relationship at 15 with a grown woman.

3) Taylor, Mrs. Jones, the therapist, both sets of parents, just a few of the characters over 40 who are not social pariahs.

Suffice it to say that interpretations of the plot are entirely subjective, as is clear by the range of opinions on this blog.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-62848" rel="nofollow">LJ</a></strong>: @Tesa<br />
No, I read the first two novels.<br />
“because there are characters who make it blatantly clear that BDSM is not the problem,”Except that it IS because Christian’s NEED to be a dom is based on his childhood trauma and then Ana ‘cures’ him of his need to be a Dom through love. How is that not treating it like a disease?And then we have two other characters in the book, His former lover who is a chil abuser and a former sub both of whom are psychologically damaged and are used to drive the plot?Oh yes, this is a BDSM positive book.<br />
You’re telling me I didn’t read it? You must be kididng.I wanted to throw my ereader through a window.And no, don’t be ridiculous, of course BDSM books can deal with psychological issues. Anabel Joseph has written a book that covers this issue almost exactly. The difference is, she managed to deal with it without treating BDSM like a disease. She also managed to feature BDSM positive characters just as she has dealt with many psychological issues AND BDSM at the same time without ‘curing’ either the Dom or the Sub of their inherit need to practice BDSM.<br />
AND she didn’t treat every character over 40 like a pariah.</p>
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<p>Obviously, I&#8217;m going to agree to disagree, and choose not to take what&#8217;s becoming a discussion fraught with unnecessary tension personal. I&#8217;m not suggesting that you read anything that you find objectionable, but I would hope that you do understand that it&#8217;s a trilogy for a reason with conflicts that are not resolved until the end of the third book.</p>
<p>1) Ana does not cure Christian of anything. They find a level of kinky fuckery that works for both of them.</p>
<p>2) Christian is screwed up regardless of his sexual preferences. It is NOT the BDSM scenes he&#8217;s flashing back to, it&#8217;s his trauma. It&#8217;s not BDSM that messes with his idea of intimacy, it&#8217;s being prematurely involved in ANY sexual relationship at 15 with a grown woman.</p>
<p>3) Taylor, Mrs. Jones, the therapist, both sets of parents, just a few of the characters over 40 who are not social pariahs.</p>
<p>Suffice it to say that interpretations of the plot are entirely subjective, as is clear by the range of opinions on this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: xina</title>
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		<dc:creator>xina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 00:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-62794&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mirole&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:  


I don’t quite agree with you and those who say they cannot understand why these books became such a great success and there are better romance books that deserve equal/greater success on the strength of their better writing. I’ve just looked up my top 10 romance and while I agree most of them are better written, all of them are very formulaic romancy

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I agree with you here also. I didn&#039;t mean to say that the writing was bad, because I thought it was good. Two problems I did have was that I thought it was a bit lengthy and that parts could have been shortened up a bit, especially book three. And also, the language, the voice didn&#039;t sound American. I wouldn&#039;t have minded if the books were set in London. But anyway, I loved the series and feel the author deserves all the attention her books are getting. I say, good for her.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-62794" rel="nofollow">Mirole</a></strong>:  </p>
<p>I don’t quite agree with you and those who say they cannot understand why these books became such a great success and there are better romance books that deserve equal/greater success on the strength of their better writing. I’ve just looked up my top 10 romance and while I agree most of them are better written, all of them are very formulaic romancy</p>
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<p>I agree with you here also. I didn&#8217;t mean to say that the writing was bad, because I thought it was good. Two problems I did have was that I thought it was a bit lengthy and that parts could have been shortened up a bit, especially book three. And also, the language, the voice didn&#8217;t sound American. I wouldn&#8217;t have minded if the books were set in London. But anyway, I loved the series and feel the author deserves all the attention her books are getting. I say, good for her.</p>
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		<title>By: pamelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>pamelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@LJ:  I can appreciate your sensitivity on this issue.  Just look at the number of reviewers on Amazon who deem the books &quot;smut&quot; or &quot;depraved&quot; simply for exploring the BDSM lifestyle in any way (and they&#039;re not even getting into the inherently positive/negative skew on the subject within the book itself).  I&#039;m just a moderate participator in some games with my hubs and on first read of the first book I got my hackles a little up -- it didn&#039;t make me dislike the books at all, but it did make me say, &quot;Is she saying BDSM is caused by trauma?&quot;.  I&#039;ve read the first 2 books 4 times though (really really love these books despite the horrendous edit) and I see it a little differently now.  As others have mentioned, this is a first person account by a very young woman so you have her inexperienced WTF is this reactions coloring everything.  You also have a very effed up man with self-loathing steaming from his pores so his own opinion of why he needs control is just as skewed as his self image.  Since the books so intensely focus on the two of them well it does get colored that way although I thing they evolve to a better understanding/relationship. 
I actually like that they negotiated into the sexual relationship which they eventually came to in book 3 (if you can bring yourself to read book 3).  One of the basic necessities of any BDSM relationship is compromise and communication of limits/desires etc.  So I think James got that right.
But this is just my take on the issue and I can only respect you for yours, because I know if you&#039;re more than just a casual practitioner then you get rubbed the wrong way on these issues all the fricking time since our culture is so sex-negative to begin with.  At least these books are actually starting a more culture-wide conversation on BDSM and if know-nothings like Dr. Drew and Katie Roiphe would stfu long enough for actual doctors/psychologists and real feminists to express their views then maybe everyone will learn something new.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@LJ:  I can appreciate your sensitivity on this issue.  Just look at the number of reviewers on Amazon who deem the books &#8220;smut&#8221; or &#8220;depraved&#8221; simply for exploring the BDSM lifestyle in any way (and they&#8217;re not even getting into the inherently positive/negative skew on the subject within the book itself).  I&#8217;m just a moderate participator in some games with my hubs and on first read of the first book I got my hackles a little up &#8212; it didn&#8217;t make me dislike the books at all, but it did make me say, &#8220;Is she saying BDSM is caused by trauma?&#8221;.  I&#8217;ve read the first 2 books 4 times though (really really love these books despite the horrendous edit) and I see it a little differently now.  As others have mentioned, this is a first person account by a very young woman so you have her inexperienced WTF is this reactions coloring everything.  You also have a very effed up man with self-loathing steaming from his pores so his own opinion of why he needs control is just as skewed as his self image.  Since the books so intensely focus on the two of them well it does get colored that way although I thing they evolve to a better understanding/relationship.<br />
I actually like that they negotiated into the sexual relationship which they eventually came to in book 3 (if you can bring yourself to read book 3).  One of the basic necessities of any BDSM relationship is compromise and communication of limits/desires etc.  So I think James got that right.<br />
But this is just my take on the issue and I can only respect you for yours, because I know if you&#8217;re more than just a casual practitioner then you get rubbed the wrong way on these issues all the fricking time since our culture is so sex-negative to begin with.  At least these books are actually starting a more culture-wide conversation on BDSM and if know-nothings like Dr. Drew and Katie Roiphe would stfu long enough for actual doctors/psychologists and real feminists to express their views then maybe everyone will learn something new.</p>
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		<title>By: Erika</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 20:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t see any negativism in FS triology towards BDSM. I saw hostility towards a grown woman seducing a troubled teen into BDSM.]]></description>
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