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		<title>By: hello kitty snapback hats</title>
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		<dc:creator>hello kitty snapback hats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 06:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kaetrin</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=6347&#038;cpage=1#comment-32824</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaetrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Melissa @ Hapax  It&#039;s just my opinion obviously, but I don&#039;t think Jules lost his voice at all.  He was always Jules.  It makes total sense, in my view, for a gay character to have concerns about gay rights.  There have been times when I have thought Ms. Brockmann was talking rather than the character but I usually notice it from other, not-gay characters - frex,  the male lead in Infamous.  I doesn&#039;t bother me in the least when a &lt;em&gt;character&lt;/em&gt; gets on a soapbox, if that&#039;s organic for the particular character and in Jules&#039; case, given he was the one directly affected by the lack of gay equality, well, why wouldn&#039;t he be concerned about these things?  
Ultimately, if, for whatever reason, one doesn&#039;t like a book, one doesn&#039;t have to read it of course, but FWIW, I thought that Jules has always been consistently Jules.  I read a post elsewhere about this issue which correctly pointed out that all of this is entirely subjective - one person&#039;s &quot;soapbox&quot; is another person&#039;s &quot;soapbox? what soapbox?&quot;.

@ Katie(kat) - here&#039;s hoping you get to read a few vegan romances one of these days! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Melissa @ Hapax  It&#8217;s just my opinion obviously, but I don&#8217;t think Jules lost his voice at all.  He was always Jules.  It makes total sense, in my view, for a gay character to have concerns about gay rights.  There have been times when I have thought Ms. Brockmann was talking rather than the character but I usually notice it from other, not-gay characters &#8211; frex,  the male lead in Infamous.  I doesn&#8217;t bother me in the least when a <em>character</em> gets on a soapbox, if that&#8217;s organic for the particular character and in Jules&#8217; case, given he was the one directly affected by the lack of gay equality, well, why wouldn&#8217;t he be concerned about these things?<br />
Ultimately, if, for whatever reason, one doesn&#8217;t like a book, one doesn&#8217;t have to read it of course, but FWIW, I thought that Jules has always been consistently Jules.  I read a post elsewhere about this issue which correctly pointed out that all of this is entirely subjective &#8211; one person&#8217;s &#8220;soapbox&#8221; is another person&#8217;s &#8220;soapbox? what soapbox?&#8221;.</p>
<p>@ Katie(kat) &#8211; here&#8217;s hoping you get to read a few vegan romances one of these days! <img src='http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Katie (kat)</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=6347&#038;cpage=1#comment-32818</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie (kat)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-32576&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-32576&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Anne&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Oh, my!  For example, the heroine (and it’s usually the heroine) who states that she’s a vegan and restates it, and restates it, and makes everyone uncomfortable including me… the reader. I’m really not interested in what any character eats or doesn’t eat and I refuse to feel guilty because I enjoy a good steak (medium rare, please.) .  
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Sorry, you touched on one of my pet peeves.  As a vegan I&#039;m sick to death of hearing about how much people like steak when they find out I don&#039;t eat animals/animal products.  I love the animals that I&#039;m fortunate to share my life with and I sponsor a pig &amp; a cow at a farm sanctuary.  I really don&#039;t appreciate people who feel the need to share how great it is to eat these animals.  

I&#039;m sure there are not a run on stories featuring vegans, especially vegans shown in a good light.  I get to read about people eating flesh all the time.  I&#039;m sure the odd vegan or two won&#039;t hurt anyone.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-32576" rel="nofollow">Anne</a></strong>: Oh, my!  For example, the heroine (and it’s usually the heroine) who states that she’s a vegan and restates it, and restates it, and makes everyone uncomfortable including me… the reader. I’m really not interested in what any character eats or doesn’t eat and I refuse to feel guilty because I enjoy a good steak (medium rare, please.) .
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<p>Sorry, you touched on one of my pet peeves.  As a vegan I&#8217;m sick to death of hearing about how much people like steak when they find out I don&#8217;t eat animals/animal products.  I love the animals that I&#8217;m fortunate to share my life with and I sponsor a pig &amp; a cow at a farm sanctuary.  I really don&#8217;t appreciate people who feel the need to share how great it is to eat these animals.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there are not a run on stories featuring vegans, especially vegans shown in a good light.  I get to read about people eating flesh all the time.  I&#8217;m sure the odd vegan or two won&#8217;t hurt anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=6347&#038;cpage=1#comment-32812</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 19:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not picking on YOU either hapax........BUT

In the &quot;reality&quot; closet If you want to be *SHOWN* all that pick up any newspaper in any city. Turn on any news program. That&#039;s why I&#039;m in the FICTION section. MY POINT is I CAN THINK for myself....don&#039;t need anyone else to tell me HOW to think or WHAT I HAVE to think about or that I SHOULD be thinking like the author. There are tons of people that think you have a right to your opinion as long as it agrees with them. We shouldn&#039;t judge BUT when you don&#039;t agree with them they become the MOST JUDGEMENTAL people on the planet. Freedom of speech is a TWO WAY street. Like I said, definitely her option to cram it down my throat (my opinion DOES NOT change on that) so definitely MY OPTION to stop reading it. I admire her for sticking to her guns and keeping that at the FOREFRONT of her books if that&#039;s where her convictions lead her. Mine lead me elsewhere. I never criticized Jules thinking or concerns about laws....but I think Jules lost his voice and became SUZANNE. If you noticed it was CONSTANT in her newsletters as well. Plus, honestly...I think that series had run its course. 
I totally don&#039;t mind authors mentioning groups/charities/foundations they support and asking you to donate or whatever. And most authors do have something near and dear to their heart. But most of them mention it and leave it at that. 
There and oodles and oodles of authors that have themes in their books, that don&#039;t magically erase issues and injustice. They thread it through very nicely. I prefer those. Doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m in a &quot;fantasy closet&quot;.

Just sayin&#039;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not picking on YOU either hapax&#8230;&#8230;..BUT</p>
<p>In the &#8220;reality&#8221; closet If you want to be *SHOWN* all that pick up any newspaper in any city. Turn on any news program. That&#8217;s why I&#8217;m in the FICTION section. MY POINT is I CAN THINK for myself&#8230;.don&#8217;t need anyone else to tell me HOW to think or WHAT I HAVE to think about or that I SHOULD be thinking like the author. There are tons of people that think you have a right to your opinion as long as it agrees with them. We shouldn&#8217;t judge BUT when you don&#8217;t agree with them they become the MOST JUDGEMENTAL people on the planet. Freedom of speech is a TWO WAY street. Like I said, definitely her option to cram it down my throat (my opinion DOES NOT change on that) so definitely MY OPTION to stop reading it. I admire her for sticking to her guns and keeping that at the FOREFRONT of her books if that&#8217;s where her convictions lead her. Mine lead me elsewhere. I never criticized Jules thinking or concerns about laws&#8230;.but I think Jules lost his voice and became SUZANNE. If you noticed it was CONSTANT in her newsletters as well. Plus, honestly&#8230;I think that series had run its course.<br />
I totally don&#8217;t mind authors mentioning groups/charities/foundations they support and asking you to donate or whatever. And most authors do have something near and dear to their heart. But most of them mention it and leave it at that.<br />
There and oodles and oodles of authors that have themes in their books, that don&#8217;t magically erase issues and injustice. They thread it through very nicely. I prefer those. Doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m in a &#8220;fantasy closet&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: hapax</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=6347&#038;cpage=1#comment-32803</link>
		<dc:creator>hapax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 14:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Jules was one of my most favorite characters. Then came the over and over and over again.&quot;

Not picking on you specifically, Melissa, but this is a criticism I hear of Brockmann over and over, and it really makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

The subtext I always hear in this complaint is &quot;Oh, I love Jules, he was so fabulous and funny -- see, I don&#039;t mind gay people at all!  But then Brockmann had to go and RUIN his character by making him actually think about and care about the way that our laws and prejudice affect his life.  Why couldn&#039;t he just stay in my fantasy closet so I could pretend that the world was more fair than it actually is?&quot;

I personally *like* it when an author makes me a little uncomfortable with my unthinking assumptions and privileges.  *Show* me the homeless starving Peninsular veterans on the streets, while all those Marquesses and Viscounts waltz at their glittering balls.  *Show* me that recovery from alcoholism is a long, painful process that requires strength, patience, and a lot of grace, not just &quot;the love of a good woman.&quot;  And yes, *show* me that persons of particular races, races, and orientations still have to deal with a thousand daily injuries and insults that are not magically erased by the Power of Love.

It&#039;s not like I can&#039;t find a million other books that will feed me fantasies and fairytales when that&#039;s what I&#039;m in the mood for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jules was one of my most favorite characters. Then came the over and over and over again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not picking on you specifically, Melissa, but this is a criticism I hear of Brockmann over and over, and it really makes me want to bang my head against the wall.</p>
<p>The subtext I always hear in this complaint is &#8220;Oh, I love Jules, he was so fabulous and funny &#8212; see, I don&#8217;t mind gay people at all!  But then Brockmann had to go and RUIN his character by making him actually think about and care about the way that our laws and prejudice affect his life.  Why couldn&#8217;t he just stay in my fantasy closet so I could pretend that the world was more fair than it actually is?&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally *like* it when an author makes me a little uncomfortable with my unthinking assumptions and privileges.  *Show* me the homeless starving Peninsular veterans on the streets, while all those Marquesses and Viscounts waltz at their glittering balls.  *Show* me that recovery from alcoholism is a long, painful process that requires strength, patience, and a lot of grace, not just &#8220;the love of a good woman.&#8221;  And yes, *show* me that persons of particular races, races, and orientations still have to deal with a thousand daily injuries and insults that are not magically erased by the Power of Love.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like I can&#8217;t find a million other books that will feed me fantasies and fairytales when that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m in the mood for.</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=6347&#038;cpage=1#comment-32768</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 19:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like alot, the first (and pretty much only) author that came to mind was Suzanne Brockmann. 

Jules was one of my most favorite characters. Then came the over and over and over again. Not just in her book but it&#039;s like that&#039;s all she talked about in her newsletters too. It just got to be too much. On her soap box constantly. It just got old. She was just crammin it down your throat. Not just stating her views, but pretty much insinuating if you didn&#039;t agree you were a narrow minded and horrible person. 

She has every right to write about it, scream it from the roof tops, and put it in her newsletters. Her prerogative. Just like I have the right to roll my eyes and say enough already!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like alot, the first (and pretty much only) author that came to mind was Suzanne Brockmann. </p>
<p>Jules was one of my most favorite characters. Then came the over and over and over again. Not just in her book but it&#8217;s like that&#8217;s all she talked about in her newsletters too. It just got to be too much. On her soap box constantly. It just got old. She was just crammin it down your throat. Not just stating her views, but pretty much insinuating if you didn&#8217;t agree you were a narrow minded and horrible person. </p>
<p>She has every right to write about it, scream it from the roof tops, and put it in her newsletters. Her prerogative. Just like I have the right to roll my eyes and say enough already!</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=6347&#038;cpage=1#comment-32637</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 02:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you to all the posters.  You made this a very interesting thread to read over this long rainy weekend. 

I think Sandy C summarized all of our posts with her last comment: 

&quot;Subtlety is key, that’s all&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to all the posters.  You made this a very interesting thread to read over this long rainy weekend. </p>
<p>I think Sandy C summarized all of our posts with her last comment: </p>
<p>&#8220;Subtlety is key, that’s all&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: emma</title>
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		<dc:creator>emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 18:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me get this straight. 
1) It&#039;s bad when a writer hits you over the head with it.
2) It&#039;s bad when they sneak it in.
3) We just want an entertaining escape from the world.
4) It&#039;s a turn off if the book simplifies character or historical period.
5) We dislike narrow mindedness...
6) Which is why we refuse to read anything that comes out of certain publishing houses, or is written by men.
I know these aren&#039;t exact contradictions, but they&#039;re close enough to contradictions that maybe we should cut authors some slack and just read whatever appeals to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me get this straight.<br />
1) It&#8217;s bad when a writer hits you over the head with it.<br />
2) It&#8217;s bad when they sneak it in.<br />
3) We just want an entertaining escape from the world.<br />
4) It&#8217;s a turn off if the book simplifies character or historical period.<br />
5) We dislike narrow mindedness&#8230;<br />
6) Which is why we refuse to read anything that comes out of certain publishing houses, or is written by men.<br />
I know these aren&#8217;t exact contradictions, but they&#8217;re close enough to contradictions that maybe we should cut authors some slack and just read whatever appeals to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Vol Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=6347&#038;cpage=1#comment-32626</link>
		<dc:creator>Vol Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 14:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I absolutely hate it when an author does this too.  I read to escape, not to be lectured or subliminally tried to influence to their politics.  I also hate it when the author hits you over the head with how &quot;evil&quot; a group of people are because of their beliefs.  (I&#039;m looking at you Stephen King and &quot;Under the Dome&quot; which told us all that Christians, military, conservatives &amp; Republicans were the only horrible people and he was very in your face about it).

I refuse to read SK anymore and I&#039;m very wary of others who do this.  In fact, I&#039;ve been known to have thrown a book out without even reading it after I read reviews that said this was hammered over the head of the reader.   &quot;Dome&quot; taught me a lesson in that I will never waste my time being lectured like I&#039;m 6 again.  I would have quit that book early on, but after spending that much time on it (gigantic book) I didn&#039;t want it all to have been for naught.  Though it was in the end.  Total waste of my time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely hate it when an author does this too.  I read to escape, not to be lectured or subliminally tried to influence to their politics.  I also hate it when the author hits you over the head with how &#8220;evil&#8221; a group of people are because of their beliefs.  (I&#8217;m looking at you Stephen King and &#8220;Under the Dome&#8221; which told us all that Christians, military, conservatives &amp; Republicans were the only horrible people and he was very in your face about it).</p>
<p>I refuse to read SK anymore and I&#8217;m very wary of others who do this.  In fact, I&#8217;ve been known to have thrown a book out without even reading it after I read reviews that said this was hammered over the head of the reader.   &#8220;Dome&#8221; taught me a lesson in that I will never waste my time being lectured like I&#8217;m 6 again.  I would have quit that book early on, but after spending that much time on it (gigantic book) I didn&#8217;t want it all to have been for naught.  Though it was in the end.  Total waste of my time.</p>
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		<title>By: necklace</title>
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		<dc:creator>necklace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 May 2011 12:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to say, I also don&#039;t like it when the author sneaks in their political opinion. It is such cheap shot. Some times its best to stick to skillful writing and an interesting plot. No need to resort to gimmicks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I also don&#8217;t like it when the author sneaks in their political opinion. It is such cheap shot. Some times its best to stick to skillful writing and an interesting plot. No need to resort to gimmicks.</p>
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