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		<title>By: alpha dog</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=516&#038;cpage=1#comment-36205</link>
		<dc:creator>alpha dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt; alpha traits...&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>By: SusiB</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=516&#038;cpage=1#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>SusiB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello RobinB, well, let&#039;s just agree to disagree on the topic of Jamie Fraser, but my point is - I can understand why he beat Claire. He was absolutely sure that he had to do it. That&#039;s not what I despise so much about him. It&#039;s the fact that hitting Claire turned him on. I absolutely can&#039;t sympathize with a man who gets sexually aroused by hurting another person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello RobinB, well, let&#8217;s just agree to disagree on the topic of Jamie Fraser, but my point is &#8211; I can understand why he beat Claire. He was absolutely sure that he had to do it. That&#8217;s not what I despise so much about him. It&#8217;s the fact that hitting Claire turned him on. I absolutely can&#8217;t sympathize with a man who gets sexually aroused by hurting another person.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan/DC</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=516&#038;cpage=1#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan/DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of my favorite &quot;playboy turned hero&quot; characters is Lord Edmund Waite from Mary Balogh&#039;s &quot;The Notorious Rake&quot;.  He&#039;s developed a very hard shell indeed and is totally bewildered by Mary&#039;s effect on him.  Watching him slowly reveal the injured soul underneath that shell and how Mary provides the balm needed for him to heal his psychic wounds is quite wonderful.  I don&#039;t think of him as an alpha because he&#039;s too independent and too isolated in his life to care about being a leader. 

Another favorite is Sebastian in Patricia Gaffney&#039;s &quot;To Have and To Hold&quot;.  I know he&#039;s quite a controversial character, but I think the book is an exhilarating portrait of the redemption of a true rake.  Far too many of the Dukes of Slut are what I like to think of as &quot;wallpaper&quot; rakes -- shown in chapter 1 acting quite studly with a mistress and whose prowess is talked about constantly by everyone else, but somehow it all feels fake.  Sebastian, however, is the real thing, and his redemption at the hands of a woman he first sought to use as heartlessly as he&#039;d used all other women is a true soul-change.  Gaffney is a wonderful writer who seems to understand the many twists and turns of the human heart.

But I also agree with those who love Carla Kelly&#039;s heroes.  They are usually classified as beta, but I think they&#039;re actually alpha in all the ways that count:  they&#039;re intelligent, usually leaders of men (sea captains or army officers, for example), and once they determine the right path necessary to care for the heroine, they are unswerving in their care for her.  They may question themselves and their choices (to me, that&#039;s often a sign of intelligence as none of us are infallible and it helps to periodically do such checks), but they embody the word Honor even as they come before us, flaws and all.  Her heroes are all the more romantic because they are so human.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite &#8220;playboy turned hero&#8221; characters is Lord Edmund Waite from Mary Balogh&#8217;s &#8220;The Notorious Rake&#8221;.  He&#8217;s developed a very hard shell indeed and is totally bewildered by Mary&#8217;s effect on him.  Watching him slowly reveal the injured soul underneath that shell and how Mary provides the balm needed for him to heal his psychic wounds is quite wonderful.  I don&#8217;t think of him as an alpha because he&#8217;s too independent and too isolated in his life to care about being a leader. </p>
<p>Another favorite is Sebastian in Patricia Gaffney&#8217;s &#8220;To Have and To Hold&#8221;.  I know he&#8217;s quite a controversial character, but I think the book is an exhilarating portrait of the redemption of a true rake.  Far too many of the Dukes of Slut are what I like to think of as &#8220;wallpaper&#8221; rakes &#8212; shown in chapter 1 acting quite studly with a mistress and whose prowess is talked about constantly by everyone else, but somehow it all feels fake.  Sebastian, however, is the real thing, and his redemption at the hands of a woman he first sought to use as heartlessly as he&#8217;d used all other women is a true soul-change.  Gaffney is a wonderful writer who seems to understand the many twists and turns of the human heart.</p>
<p>But I also agree with those who love Carla Kelly&#8217;s heroes.  They are usually classified as beta, but I think they&#8217;re actually alpha in all the ways that count:  they&#8217;re intelligent, usually leaders of men (sea captains or army officers, for example), and once they determine the right path necessary to care for the heroine, they are unswerving in their care for her.  They may question themselves and their choices (to me, that&#8217;s often a sign of intelligence as none of us are infallible and it helps to periodically do such checks), but they embody the word Honor even as they come before us, flaws and all.  Her heroes are all the more romantic because they are so human.</p>
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		<title>By: luteran</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=516&#038;cpage=1#comment-553</link>
		<dc:creator>luteran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the beta hero the best. Clay from Always to Remember is a favorite. I also like the dark hero too. I think the alpha hero is my least favorite but there are some exceptions I am sure. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the beta hero the best. Clay from Always to Remember is a favorite. I also like the dark hero too. I think the alpha hero is my least favorite but there are some exceptions I am sure. <img src='http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RobinB</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s my two cents on Jamie Fraser, who is one of my favorite heroes. SusiB, you mentioned the beating that Jamie gave to Claire in the first book of the &quot;Outlander&quot; series. Generally speaking, I find scenes where the male protagonist abuses another character (whether it&#039;s physical or emotional abuse) very distasteful. However, the story takes place in eighteenth-century Scotland, and unfortunately, wife-beating was acceptable in that time and place, when it was understood that the man ruled the household, and if a member of the household (wife, child, servant) disobeyed the man&#039;s rules, then severe punishment ensued.

My other favorite heroes are the gentlemen who populate the &quot;Fallen Angels&quot; series by Mary Jo Putney. In varying ways, they&#039;ve had to overcome difficult situations in their lives, and they manage to do it with women who are smart, perceptive, and NOT simpering fools! I would say that my favorite Fallen Angel is Lord Michael Kenyon, who is really nasty when he appears in the first book, &quot;Thunder and Roses&quot;. Through the forgiveness of his friends, he becomes a terrific hero in &quot;Shattered Rainbows&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my two cents on Jamie Fraser, who is one of my favorite heroes. SusiB, you mentioned the beating that Jamie gave to Claire in the first book of the &#8220;Outlander&#8221; series. Generally speaking, I find scenes where the male protagonist abuses another character (whether it&#8217;s physical or emotional abuse) very distasteful. However, the story takes place in eighteenth-century Scotland, and unfortunately, wife-beating was acceptable in that time and place, when it was understood that the man ruled the household, and if a member of the household (wife, child, servant) disobeyed the man&#8217;s rules, then severe punishment ensued.</p>
<p>My other favorite heroes are the gentlemen who populate the &#8220;Fallen Angels&#8221; series by Mary Jo Putney. In varying ways, they&#8217;ve had to overcome difficult situations in their lives, and they manage to do it with women who are smart, perceptive, and NOT simpering fools! I would say that my favorite Fallen Angel is Lord Michael Kenyon, who is really nasty when he appears in the first book, &#8220;Thunder and Roses&#8221;. Through the forgiveness of his friends, he becomes a terrific hero in &#8220;Shattered Rainbows&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=516&#038;cpage=1#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am mostly a fan of beta heroes or even ones that rather gravitate towards omega at first - Will from LaVyrle Spencer&#039;s &quot;Morning Glory&quot; is a very good example for the sort of hero I like to read about. Sadly, these heroes seem to be outnumbered by the entirely-too-alpha-for-my-taste-and-proud-of-it type.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am mostly a fan of beta heroes or even ones that rather gravitate towards omega at first &#8211; Will from LaVyrle Spencer&#8217;s &#8220;Morning Glory&#8221; is a very good example for the sort of hero I like to read about. Sadly, these heroes seem to be outnumbered by the entirely-too-alpha-for-my-taste-and-proud-of-it type.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellie</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=516&#038;cpage=1#comment-543</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My heroes begin and end with Jamie Fraser.  No one can beat him as far as  I&#039;m concerned.  I&#039;m patiently waiting, well not so patiently, the next book in the series, due out in 2009.  After Jamie, I tend to agree with your heroes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heroes begin and end with Jamie Fraser.  No one can beat him as far as  I&#8217;m concerned.  I&#8217;m patiently waiting, well not so patiently, the next book in the series, due out in 2009.  After Jamie, I tend to agree with your heroes.</p>
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		<title>By: SusiB</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=516&#038;cpage=1#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>SusiB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me, it depends on my mood which kind of hero I prefer. Generally, I like it when they fall for the heroine really fast - and they have to realize it too. I&#039;m rather fed up with the &quot;Oh no, I don&#039;t want to fall in love&quot;-type. My favourite hero would probably be Ken Karmody from Suzanne Brockmann&#039;s Out of Control.  - Regarding Jamie from Gabaldon&#039;s Outlander...SPOILER ALERT!!...



I don&#039;t like him at all! In fact, I couldn&#039;t bring myself to read more than this first book of the series, even though everyone was raving about it. Jamie is a pervert. Remember the scene when he gave Claire a beating with his belt? I do understand why he did it, and in fact, he explained it to her at length, but he hurt her badly AND IT TURNED HIM ON! That is one of the most disgustings scenes I ever read, and a man who gets turned on by hurting his wife is definitely not hero material.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, it depends on my mood which kind of hero I prefer. Generally, I like it when they fall for the heroine really fast &#8211; and they have to realize it too. I&#8217;m rather fed up with the &#8220;Oh no, I don&#8217;t want to fall in love&#8221;-type. My favourite hero would probably be Ken Karmody from Suzanne Brockmann&#8217;s Out of Control.  &#8211; Regarding Jamie from Gabaldon&#8217;s Outlander&#8230;SPOILER ALERT!!&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like him at all! In fact, I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to read more than this first book of the series, even though everyone was raving about it. Jamie is a pervert. Remember the scene when he gave Claire a beating with his belt? I do understand why he did it, and in fact, he explained it to her at length, but he hurt her badly AND IT TURNED HIM ON! That is one of the most disgustings scenes I ever read, and a man who gets turned on by hurting his wife is definitely not hero material.</p>
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		<title>By: skrabs</title>
		<link>http://www.likesbooks.com/blog/?p=516&#038;cpage=1#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator>skrabs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 10:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love a dark hero, the more tortured the better. The bad boys, the rakes, the ones who keep all their emotions bottled up, the loners, the too-clever-for-their-own-good... 
Men like St. Vincent, Clay from Bitten, Japhrimel from the Dante Valentine series, Lymond, Nicholas from Jo Beverly&#039;s Rogues, Kit from Lady Gallant, Suzanne Robinson, Jack from Brockway&#039;s All Through The Night, Sebastian from Gaffney&#039;s To Have And To Hold, Hardy Cates from Kleypas...
If they need reforming, then I want to read &#039;em!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love a dark hero, the more tortured the better. The bad boys, the rakes, the ones who keep all their emotions bottled up, the loners, the too-clever-for-their-own-good&#8230;<br />
Men like St. Vincent, Clay from Bitten, Japhrimel from the Dante Valentine series, Lymond, Nicholas from Jo Beverly&#8217;s Rogues, Kit from Lady Gallant, Suzanne Robinson, Jack from Brockway&#8217;s All Through The Night, Sebastian from Gaffney&#8217;s To Have And To Hold, Hardy Cates from Kleypas&#8230;<br />
If they need reforming, then I want to read &#8216;em!</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Walsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe you named exactly the same set of heroes that I love.  Well, except for the Wulfgar from The Wolf and the Dove which I never read because I&#039;m not a big Woodiwiss fan.  But Jo Beverley&#039;s Rothgar, OMG.  And Wulfric from Balogh&#039;s Slightly Dangerous...I read sections of that book a few times because I enjoyed him so much (the scene where his family talks about seeing him up in the tree:-)  Sir Ross Cannon, Anthony Bridgerton...   So, I guess now you&#039;ve talked me into reading Devil in Winter!  Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe you named exactly the same set of heroes that I love.  Well, except for the Wulfgar from The Wolf and the Dove which I never read because I&#8217;m not a big Woodiwiss fan.  But Jo Beverley&#8217;s Rothgar, OMG.  And Wulfric from Balogh&#8217;s Slightly Dangerous&#8230;I read sections of that book a few times because I enjoyed him so much (the scene where his family talks about seeing him up in the tree:-)  Sir Ross Cannon, Anthony Bridgerton&#8230;   So, I guess now you&#8217;ve talked me into reading Devil in Winter!  Thanks!</p>
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